Fri 9 Nov 2007
ANN’s Interview with Eric P. Sherman and the Impact of Fansubs
Posted by DeathToZippermouth under Other, Rants and Ramblings
Today I was reading an interview between ANN’s Zac and Eric P. Sherman, the President of Bang-Zoom Entertainment. It was an interesting interview, with lots of talk of how Bang-Zoom came about and what is happening with their Geneon-licensed works. However, one piece of the interview caught my eye in specific.
“Zac: Speaking of the health of the industry, we have more and more fans, but DVD sales are going down. Some speculate that it has to do with the sum total of Japan’s animated output being hosted on unauthorized torrent sites for free, and bootlegs. Given that that seems to be the way things are moving – we have more fans than ever, but fewer actual consumers – how big a concern is that for a studio like yours?
E.P. Sherman: I think it’s a huge concern. It’s absolutely affected us. I think it’s why we’ve seen a downturn in business – fansubs, bootlegs… and it’s not just the fansubs, because even the dubs are available for free online. I see bootleg DVDs being sold around town where I’m actually credited on the pirated box art. It’s affecting our clients, and it’s affecting us.
Speaking on fansubs, I actually do think it’s true that they do help promote the show, to an extent, that it can be a healthy thing, but I think it’s gone way beyond that now. Anime downloads are more prevalent than porn on the internet right now. It is a serious problem, and it hurts everyone. If even one third of the people who downloaded Haruhi actually bought the DVD, it would have made our industry so much healthier; you wouldn’t even believe it.”
When I read this, I thought long and hard about much of the internal fansubber, blogger, and anime company drama that has been going on recently, and due to my opinion of Bang-Zoom (they’re one of the best things to happen to anime dubbing) and much of my frustrations, I really felt I had to make this response.
A few weeks ago, as most bloggers probably know, DarkMirage called out Nyoro~n Fansubs on their lack of quality, and rightly so. And while I agree with DM’s assessment, I think he inadvertently brought to light an even bigger problem: fansubbing itself has fallen greatly in quality, and not merely due to a few fansub groups.
As I ranted about earlier this year, the amount of fansubber drama that goes on between groups is appalling, and the number of actually good fansubbers has decreased dramatically. Groups that put time and energy into their work have all but disappeared, and in their place groups that care more about proving how awesome they are than actually putting a little TLC into their releases.
What’s worse, the amount of people downloading fansubs is going up, and the amount of people that are actually buying DVDs is decreasing. This results in less money going to the anime companies in America, which means fewer series are licensed, which results in an export of Japan becoming less lucrative, which results in fewer series and lower quality series being produced. Anyone with the slightest grasp on economics should be able to see this, and it is primarily the reason I DO buy DVDs, and lots of them at that; I like alot of anime, and want to see more great series get produced.
This increase in bad fansubs and people that watch them, and the decrease of DVD sales, can only harm the industry. And that in turn will harm us. We are a lucky group in that our hobby doesn’t have an RIAA figure running around suing everyone and anyone. However, it is clear that while the anime companies aren’t driving their fans into poverty (which is a good tactic rather than being rat bastards like the music industry), they do NOT appreciate the so-called fandom that revolves around fansubbing.
I don’t need any more proof than a recent appeal my anime club made to ADV. We wanted to show Gurren-Lagann next semester, but our club has a history of respecting licensing. Because ADV does not seem keen on releasing the DVDs in the immediate future, we made our appeal in the most moral way we could. We promised we would not distribute our copies, that we would purchase the DVDs as club copies upon their release in America, and that we would do everything in our power to encourage our club to support the series by purchasing it. Their response was an unconditional no. And an ANGRY no at that.
Anime companies do not appreciate the fansub market the way we try to whitewash it. Fansubs are NOT free publicity for the DVDs; if they were, we’d be seeing an upturn, rather than a downturn, in sales.
So to all the “fans” out there that think they can get away with claiming watching fansubs is showing support for a series?
Shut up, and put your money where your mouth is. Basic economics will show that you are doing little more than stealing if you do not legally purchase a copy once it is available.
To all the “fans” who say they would like to buy the DVDs but don’t have the money, even with a job?
20-30 dollars is the general running price for a DVD of anime. It could be cheaper if more DVDs were purchased, but for now, that’s 4-5 hours of work AT MINIMUM WAGE. Even if that means you can get away with only one DVD a month as a luxury purchase, it still shows support for an industry that we seem to be taking for granted.
If we want our hobby to survive, we need to treat it with respect.
That said, there needs to be a middle ground. A new breed of anime “fan” has been born, the kind that buys 500 GB hard drives to store all the series they collect. While the anime industry likely can’t capitalize on Hard Drive sales, I do believe they should take steps towards using the internet and creating an iTunes-like internet shop for anime episodes. I believe the industry needs to strike this iron while it is hot, in fact. Also, the anime industry needs to show just why DVDs are better than fansubs; better translation quality, better image quality, just in general better. Even if the dub isn’t great, I’d still prefer a DVD copy over a fansub due to actual professional translators putting time and effort into the subtitle work. And then there’s the case of series like Haruhi, where the dub is so good it’s an even greater value.
Simple economics. Purchase DVDs and get a better product in the long run, or steal by downloading fansubs and ruin the industry. If the industry is wise, they’ll move towards internet distribution and prove for certain that they provide the superior product. And if the fandom is wise, they’ll put their money where their mouth is, and prove to the anime industry that they truly do appreciate their efforts.
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November 9th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
I agree with your comments. The way fansubs are going now can only be detrimental to the industry, but, on the other hand, the industry must adapt to new distribution technology to survive.
Unfortunately, many companies are uncomfortable with the idea of streaming or offering download of their titles because of the security and rights management problems that it implies. If the files are not protected we know very well that fans will exhchange them or redistribute them for free — hurting the industry in the same way than fansubs.
And the Japanese creators & right holders are themselves not much open to this concept yet. They will grant right for broadcast or Dvd release, but hesitate greatly to give right for streaming or downloading. The Japanese are just starting to experiment with those technology, so I am sure that eventually it will become possible to do the same in North America. I am sure that the companies here know very well that they have to explore this avenue sooner than later.
November 9th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
But there are also people like me who will never buy any anime DVD that I haven’t watched on fansubs before.
Frankly, I think there’s a decrease in fansub activities that correspond to the decrease in anime DVD sales. I suspect that it’s not a cause and effect thing. Maybe people are just getting tired of anime.
November 9th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
I’ll be honest - I don’t like buying anime I haven’t seen before; whether this means I see it on TV (rarely, since I don’t get cable), at a convention, or via other means, until I’m sure I enjoy it. I cannot afford to spend $30 for each series which MIGHT interest me… so often end up only getting stuff I’ve enjoyed the manga for, that I’ve heard many good reviews for, or else that I’ve seen somehow.
I think part of the problem with the anime DVD industry right now is that it’s glutted with a lot of the ’same types’ of anime (harem anime abounds), and part of it is the whole idea that anime is a passing fad. You’ve got the hardcore audience which always existed long before Internet-based distribution of fansubs… and then you’ve got the casual viewers, with few ‘in-between’ types who are willing to spend quite a bit of money on the hobby.
I definitely would not have bought Haruhi if I hadn’t seen it somewhere before, and to judge from what I’ve heard it would NEVER have been licensed here had there not been such a fervor about the whole subject in general. Anime companies are like many others; they don’t like taking risks, which means going the tried and true route (Gundam, harem anime) for the most part.
I do wonder if there will be MORE sales if fansubs are completely eliminated… or if there’ll be less. I suspect they may actually see a bit of a downturn, but whether it would spell the end of the industry is doubtful; there’s always Gundam shows being shown on TeleToon or other cartoon networks, after all. It might go back to the way it was twenty years ago, however; you had Cardcaptors, Sailor Moon, and Gundam along with Dragonball Z… and that was it. No Haruhi, no Ouran Host Club, no Kashimashi, no Jigoku Shoujo, no Sgt Frog.
November 9th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
There are some points here that I agree with you on. Fansubs hurt the market. But I think it’s more than just that. I think there has been a culture shift in America at large, but it’s trickled down to anime especially.
To give a little history, when I first started watching anime there wasn’t much to be found. Hell, it was hard to get a complete series on VHS, and even if you did it was likely to cost you and arm and a leg to get it. So when anime became more popular a lot of the hardcore fans (like me) ended up shouting, “Yes! Please keep importing it. We’ll buy anything if you’d just keep doing that.”
That group has gotten older though. And while some still keep up with the hobby (like me). There are just as many who have to keep a roof over their heads and have kids and other stuff that has to take priority.
And as anime has become more mainstream and more popular there is still a large group of people who either A) couldn’t afford to buy the DVD’s of B) felt entitled to getting them or C) just wanted to weed out the good stuff from the bad stuff.
Now groups A and C, I understand. And to be honest group A couldn’t afford to buy the DVDs anyway, so they’re just inflating the numbers. And group C, well they’re just being smart consumers in a way.
It’s group B that really present the problem. But I think that they’re just a vocal minority.
I also think there’s a fourth group in there of just casual fans who would really need to find an excellent series to be convinced to shell out the money for it.
But I also think there’s another problem with the industry right now. And that’s poor decision making. How many lousy series has Funimation come out with in the past year - Desert Punk and Trinity Blood come to mind. And ADV almost perpetually puts out stuff that isn’t lousy but also isn’t really spectacular either. Bandai has come out with maybe three series, all of which are fairly surefire hits, but compared to what they were putting out it’s an extreme drop. And Media Blasters and CPM have almost dropped off the face the planet as far as top shelf releases.
So I can’t blame the fansubbers completely. I think there are a lot of market forces here (some are completely outside of the control of the either the fans or the distribution companies, like gas prices.) Not just fansubs or no fansubs. Or bad marketing choices. Or inflated prices (which is largely on the retail level NOT on the distributor level). And a fanbase that has forgotten the history of anime in America.
I don’t think the R1 industry will collapse under the weight of fansubbers. But I do think that they’ll have to get smarter. Do I think that will mean that we’ll get fewer niche titles? Yes. Do I think that’s a bad thing? In cases of something like ErgoProxy or Serial Experiments Lain, yes. In cases of Infinite Ryvius or Trinity Blood, no.
But then again, we’ll always have the fansubs of those.
Cameron
November 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pm
Cameron: I doubt we’ll always have fansubs of the niche titles, the way things are going… in which case, we’ll be back to the ‘harem, harem, Gundam, mahou shoujo’ selections which were more prevalent 20 years ago. As far as bad decisions go, I can name three off the top of my head: Negima, Negima, and Negima.
And I wonder how much Mr. Sherman there thought the downloads for Haruhi were, versus the actual sales. As it is, from what I can tell, it sold fairly well… especially the Limited Edition stuff, which flies off the shelves here, versus the ‘regular’ editions. I don’t see a lot of stock for either, to be honest; whether that’s due to low numbers being published, or good sales… I don’t know yet.
November 10th, 2007 at 12:45 am
Haesslich: Yeah, you’re probably right on that point. But you forgot the intermidably long running shounen action series. Because you know what happens when you have a good thing, you need to beat it into the ground until you don’t have anything good about it anymore.
Although, I didn’t watch Negima. Cute girls on the cover always kind of turns me off. (I still haven’t brought myself around to buying Azumanga Daioh).
November 10th, 2007 at 10:37 am
Oooooh, yay, I started discussion.
Like DarkMirage, I rarely buy DVDs of things that I haven’t already seen before. I will occasionally pick up a DVD for a series I haven’t seen on a whim based on things I’ve heard, but for the most part I buy DVDs for series I’ve watched fansubbed. This is the healthy side of fansubbing that Sherman mentioned; it IS publicity.
And as Cameron said, it’s not simple enough to just blame all the problems the industry has on fansubs. There are the fans that do buy DVDs even after watching the fansubs. And in fact, one person’s trash is another person’s treasure, so the sampling works wonders. (Case in point, Cameron hates Desert Punk, I actually found I enjoyed it.)
There’s no real simple solution, but my big point is we as a fanbase are treated incredibly well compared to the music industry; the companies are more open to the fans (Bang-Zoom, in particular, has a wonderful open presence at Anime-Expo, and even sponsors AX-Idol) and many of the voice actors and industry pros are anime fans themselves. Dubs have been improving for the most part, and the era of DVDs is still much better than the era of VHS; both language tracks at half the price of a sub VHS tabe.
Are people falling out of anime fandom, like DarkMirage said? Of course. People go through hobby phases all the time. The problem is there is still a constant stream of new blood, and they’re being taught subconsciously that they shouldn’t have to pay for things when clearly they should. A similar thing is happening in the Tabletop RPG industry, with pdfs of game books being posted all over the internet, a fact which really irritates a friend of mine who has been into gaming and anime since the eighties.
I guess I just miss having fansubbers with the integrity to not only stop distribution of anime once the series gets licensed, but also to put a notice at the beginning of each video that reads “Stop the distribution of this series once it is licensed!” Now all we get is “This is a free fansub, if you paid for it you got ripped off.” Ugh.
November 10th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
Cameron: Negima’s first anime incarnation was SO bad, they changed directors three times and even the mangaka said he was disappointed. It was like Love Hina, minus decent art, humor, and so forth. The second anime incarnation’s better… but not much, and the OVA’s are better in art, but still… eh. Let’s just say, if you want to know the feelings of manga readers who went to the first series, it was like the later Lova Hina OVA’s, but with way worse art and directing.
ADV, from what I recall, started with a bunch of VHS-trading types who eventually decided to make it into a business. Still, between the rise in the cost-of-living, the glut of series out there (which is a mixed blessing; I never would’ve licensed Kimi Ga Nozomu Eine myself - now titled Rumbling Hearts), and the competition for our entertainment dollars… well, the business is tougher than it was just two or three years ago.
I fear that part of the problem is that, as DarkMirage pointed out, is that people are falling out of the fandom, either due to changing interests, lack of money, or else in some ways the whole market in Japan’s starting to become less adventurous, IMO. How many harem series are out there? Dozens; ditto mahou shoujo, and so forth. I know that I’m definitely not able to buy as much as I used to; Haruhi is one of two series I may be able to get this year (the other being Black Lagoon), and I would argue it’s the ‘casual hobbyist’ which is the prime market for anime.
You have hardcore otaku who would buy ANYTHING, just because it’s something they like and have followed religiously (AMG, for example), but they’re relatively small in number both here and in Japan. You’e got a larger number of casual hobbyists who have money (although less than they used to), and then you’ve got the masses who watch the show on TeleToon or Cartoon Network or whatever, and they MIGHT buy one series in their lives.
Just removing fansubbers won’t solve the issue - part of the solution, in my view, is to make value for the people who buy DVD’s - an example is Bandai’s releases of Haruhi; the limited edition, which cost double that of the regular one, have the original Japanese Broadcast order DVD’s. I would like to see Bandai announce how many of those they sold, versus the ‘regular’ ones, to see if that type of exclusive would be enough to draw more money their way. The Black Lagoon steelbox for the Volume 1 LE was another nice ‘bonus’, as it lets people with limited space stack the whole series in one tin… which also would’ve saved packaging costs.
Maybe another solution which would help curbe fansubbing would be limited streaming versions of anime with simultaneous, or near-simultaneous (within 3-4 months), release in North America as well as in Japan; at least the Japanese viewer gets to see this stuff on relatively cheap (or free) TV, whereas us non-Japanese viewers are stuck either waiting for it to get dubbed and put onto free TV or else have to see it at cons or other sources… and I really wonder how many current anime viewers would’ve gotten into the habit of buying had they not been able to see the series first, somewhere.
November 10th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
DeathtoZippermouth actually brought up a couple things I’ve been thinking about. The thing is that there is a culture shift in the anime fandom. A lot of the new blood grew up in the post napster “I wanna be an anarchist” culture. And I think fandom attracts a larger amount of those than is representative in the country. Mostly because it’s an industry that tends to attract the counter-culture.
Really, and maybe even more than that I think we can safely divide fandom into two pretty distinct categories - nerds and the counterculture. Now granted I fall squarely in the nerd/geek category, and I’d like to think a lot of the hardcore fandom does. But I think that’s the part of fandom that’s slowly being marginalized (or at the very least is getting older). I also think for the most part these are the fans who watch fansubs either because they want to preview a series.
But I think they are being marginalized by the counter-culture “Why pay?” fandom. Partly because they’re louder and partly because they say really stupid stuff, but emotionally appealing stuff. DeathtoZippermouth made a really good point about this when he said that the new fans are getting indocrinated into that mentality.
So the question remains, what do we do about that? Eliminating fansubs, doesn’t seem to be an option. Honestly ADV has been trying out streaming video, especially on Netflix. (Although it is dubbed, and I know that doesn’t appeal to some of the hardcore fanbase.) I think that’s part of the answer. And putting more mainstream stuff on TV is also an answer (although I kind of wonder what type of arrangments CN worked out with the distribution companies to put stuff on TV).
Really, I guess I would divide my suggestions into a few main points.
1. Eliminate the lag between releasing it in the States and when it’s released in Japan. If they could cut it down to three to four months then it would make a lot of the hardcore fanbase a lot happier. My suggestion would be allow the NA licensors to stream the video. (Lets face it most of the people who get to watch anime that quickly are fansubbers.)
2. The distribution companies need to do market research. The days when anything would go are far behind us. My suggestion would be to go with a Hollywood system of having one or two headliners for the year and a few other ones directed at the more profitable subgroups.
3. I really like Haesslich’s suggestion on marketing to the hardcore fans. But I would take it a step further. Give anime a limited shelf-life. This would create a scarcity, cut down on production costs and allow the companies to re-release series that sell-out quickly and do limited runs on series that won’t sell nearly as well.
4. The Japanese licensors need to pull their heads out of their asses. Take a look at Bandai Visual’s recent release of Wings of Honemaise (sp) for a point on that one. They need to realize that the American market isn’t going to support anime the same way a Japanese market will. (this would help my third point come to fruition.)
Okay, I think I’ve babbled enough.
November 10th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
Oh yeah, and I totally forgot about the point I was going to make when I started all of that rambling.
I don’t think the ups and downs of fandom really matter that much. Take a look at the tabletop RPG industry. They almost disappeared after TSR closed up shop. And then White Wolf came along and brought in a bunch of new blood into the hobby in the early 90s. And then that group slowly faded and then D&D 3.0 came out and brought a lot of the new people back into the hobby. I think fandom is definitely cycular.
It’s just that we’ve got to figure out how to get fellow fans to buy stuff.
November 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
I didn’t believe the ‘making value’ bit was for hardcore fans: it’s more akin to how you’ve got ’special editions’ of various movies and TV shows which show up, which are more than just ‘oh, they threw in an extra trailer and made a new box’. Exclusives like the Japanese-broadcast versions are what differentiate the Limited Edition from the regular; Kadokawa, IIRC, didn’t release the TV-broadcast order DVD’s in Japan either… which creates perceived value for the buyer. Just throwing in a large box to hold all 3-5 DVD’s plus a figurine, pencil case, or even a soundtrack CD doesn’t cut it, IMO. Another example of a better type of ‘limited edition’ would be the Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex DVD release - they threw in the regular movie, the soundtrack disc, AND an extras CD with an attractive Steelbook case; a simple cardboard box that could hold four extra DVD’s would not have convinced me to buy it. Either sell me the Complete Edition with that box, or else give me something other than a cheap plastic figurine or a soundtrack disc I may already have.
Most of the other points you mentioned I covered already; I don’t know how well a drama like Kimi Ga Nozumu Eine went over, but I suspect it may not have pushed as much product as say.. oh.. Naruto. The distribution method’s okay for the most part, but as far as hooking viewers go… well, if we go back to twenty years ago where it was basically a few titles ever got licensed… well, I’ll take the current market over it anyday.
Still, they do need to be a bit more discerning, or at least do a better job with some releases; from what I recall, ADV Manga basically collapsed a few years back due to overlicensing stuff, and only now have begun to publish again, although some of the titles I was looking forward to appear to have fallen by the wayside. I do have to wonder how the limited edition stuff fares versus the ‘regular’ items, though.
November 12th, 2007 at 8:34 am
I wanted to comment, but it was so long that I took up so much time and had to make a new post about it.
http://www.zenime.com/2007/11/12/journal-are-fansubs-killing-the-anime-industry/#more-1504
November 12th, 2007 at 10:17 am
Ooo, EXCELLENT post, HardCheese. I think you really hit the nail on the head with it. Nice work!
Yeah, it’s pretty much the same conclusion I came to (freeloaders are the core problem, not necessarily fansubbers,) only with actual substantial economic theory backing it up. Thanks!
November 12th, 2007 at 11:52 am
Good read. I was especially interested at your anecdote about contacting ADV to see if your club could show Gurren Lagann. I’d be interested in hearing exactly what their “angry” response was.
November 12th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
The freeloaders aren’t helping matters, but there’s not many ways to eliminate them; they’ve been there since VHS-releases were common, and they’ll undoubtedly be there long after fansubbing dies.
How do we minimize the impact they have? That’s the question here - my suggested solution is to create value for the consumer who’s buying the DVD’s, and I’ve offered some examples of what I consider ‘value’ that you can’t get from just fansubs. The old model of ’sell them a special edition that consists of the same 3-episode DVD with a pencil case and an oversize box that they can hold all 6 DVD’s of the 18-episode run of a series in’ is, IMO, broken. Even the typical Bandai ‘throw in an OST CD’ model isn’t working very well.
And, as robin in the other post that HardCheese created suggests, a LOT of the stuff that’s been published out there is crap, either in the way it delivers or else in the art… and unlike the Japanese viewer, most of us can’t see this stuff on TV to see if we like it or if it’s utter shite, which is again something I’ve commented on further up in this thread.
Still, there are a few things that ADV and others are trying (example: streamed videos of episodes) which may help stem the tide. However, I’d prefer sub-only versions of those streaming titles, which may actually be CHEAPER and faster for R1 companies to produce than the usual dubbed tracks, and which could serve as a stopgap between anime release and full DVD publishing which requires the dubbing and all. Basically, it’d be like having ‘official fansubs’ in a case like that.
November 27th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
This is one good morning read, along with the intelligent commentaries.
One night I had this fellow forumer who insisted that fansubs are “free” and are always superior over corporate productions.
But I digress at this blind adherance to this current ideology shared by such freeloaders who don’t care, pester fansub groups for the next episode, and keep on leeching everything in sight in blissful ignorance before burning them all on a friend’s DVD for half a dollar.
Overall, just like the rest of the entertainment industry, there’s not much quality stuff right now that some of it could waste hard disk space.
December 6th, 2007 at 9:14 am
SORRY TO SAY THIS, YOU’RE WRONG.
This is not the 80s. We live in the information age. Guess what? I DON’T WANT ANIME DVDs. Nor will I EVER buy them.
Because… ever since iTunes launched and it was made known that with $1 per song it’s making proportionately more profit than “traditional” sales, the truth earlier known only to industry insiders was finally exposed — still not broadly enough, though.
That truth is, the actual RIGHTS, the profit of the creators of the song/movie/anime, makes a tiny fraction of the shelf price we’re being made to pay. The rest - the VAST MAJORITY - goes to various middlemen: the producer of the physical media (CD/DVD), the box, the printing of the inlay and booklet, and eventually localization (dub).
Of all those, only the localization may be acceptable (though arguable, vide dub haters). Everything else is potentially NOT NEEDED.
But, is there an online site where I could go, say “I own fansubs/raws of anime X, episodes Y-Z”, pay a price corresponding to content creator’s share in DVD sales, and print a certificate stating “Mr A has the right to own a copy of anime X, episodes Y-Z”? NO.
Because the lobbyists of distribution chain monopoly - the anime companies included - would end up jobless, including all the RIAA/MPAA lobbyists. They’d sooner DIE or bomb the White House than let it happen.
Well, not really jobless. There’d still be a market for DVDs, mainly due to people who WANT the convenience and the dub. They see value in those, and are willing to pay.
But there’s a vast market “below” that. Market of people who’d pay for the peace of mind (through legalization of their downloaded fansubs), but don’t see any value in boxes, pretty inlays and dubs.
What do the “licensors” offer to them? A BIG FAT NOTHING. Well, not nothing - they offer limited-time access to crappy online streams, rigged with so much DRM that it’s just not worth the effort - getting a fansub means no DRM hassle and NO PROBLEM. Not even gonna go into the whole DRM issue - I don’t take kindly to being treated as a thief a priori, from the very beginning.
Until the industry changes the attitude and stops trying to FORCE the issue, until DRM dies, there will be no progress, no change.
December 6th, 2007 at 11:00 am
@w-f
What, and risk the wrath of the fansubbers, who insist that Anime is free and that if you pay for their stuff you’re getting ripped off?
You don’t quite seem to get the point of fansubs. The original idea behind fansubs was to build up interest in series so that they could be licensed and brought over. When I got into fansubs, it was a golden age for them; the translations were good quality, and when a series got enough attention to be licensed, the fansubbers had the courtesy to drop the series.
It’s not like that now. I blame it on troll-happy groups like Dattebayo and Your-Mom, who are pretty much assholes no matter what angle you look at them.
The system you’re proposing? Won’t work. At all. Because that’s not digital distribution. That’s throwing money into the wind and saying “Well, I did my good deed for the day.” It’s a sad truth that for digital distribution to work and companies still protect their assets, DRM is necessary. DRM right now is paranoid corporations screwing over their customers, which is bad, but DRM needs to be fixed, not killed.
I say this as a man who wants to go into another industry that has alot to worry about for piracy, Video Games, and as a man who believes that Digital distribution IS the way of the future. A middle ground has to be met; compromise and moderation are what is needed, not finger pointing and blame game. The companies haven’t made any attempts to improve things for us, but that’s because we’re the ones that are hurting them. They owe us nothing if all we’ve given them is nothing.